How is it that we’re paying the Pakistanis to pay the Taliban to kill American troops in Afghanistan? Only the machines are real and the pussies are hairy. The M1903 lingered in this role until surprisingly late in WW2. All. Their propelling force is the rifle round. History. The whole thing is a kabuki dance–We all know where the money and support are coming from–Hell, we killed bin Laden in freakin’ Abbottabad, which is about like finding him next door to West Point, in terms of what that city is to the Pakistani military. Indirect fire means the shooter has no view of the target and must get directions “indirectly” from another observer. However, I think you’re over-egging the pudding with regards to it being what we should consider a direct-lay weapon, one where you observe the target. The round would know, stuff… Yes stuff. Not to mention the reliability issues of the increased complexity. Think they were in the original Total Recall, too. MEGA provides free cloud storage with convenient and powerful always-on privacy. But thats a story for another time, hope Ian will cover it one day…. When my unit, a company of 2bn 5th marine Regiment deployed to Iraq in 2007, two M79 launchers came in to our possession. If gun is used as pistol, probably its not needed at all. Commentdocument.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a7e7b8129e700c572423a3c703ae7314" );document.getElementById("j29ef64d01").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Biden gave just one example of how heâd exercise restraint, saying he would resist a suggestion that he âdo away with assault weapons.â Said the president-elect, âNo one has fought harder to get rid of assault weapons than me, me, but you canât do it by executive order. So he went back to the 1911 for up close and personal work. One was placed in the control of whoever was the current corporal of the guard at the combat outpost (cop) that my platoon lived at. Colt Tries DA/SA: The Colt Double Eagle (in 10mm), History of the Monolithic Polymer AR: From Colt to KE Arms, The Palmer carbine was the first bolt action firearm adopted by the US military – it was a single shot rimfire carbine patented in 1863 and sold to the US cavalry in 1865. and this is normal (“dumb”) round and if you wish to add advanced “smart” capabilities will make mass bigger. There was a real prototype for this scene. And the recoil can break stocks under sustained use. Double action, naturally. 3. 3. I was going to wonder where those were. He told me that he had a M79 cut down to be even more portable. In other words, the United States would have chosen, by lack of the necessary decisions and actions, to fall back to isolation in the Western Hemisphere. Caw!! Approximately thirty years later, a different and upgraded variation of the A-wing, the RZ-2 A-wing interceptor, was used ⦠It has a level and marked click adjustable elevations and would have likely been better than the Marked sling, though fragile ( like the good sights on the M203). 2. I liked the M79 more than the M203 on the range… but with my life on the line the M-16A1 attached to the M203 made it more comforting. He had a M16 as a main weapon, and cautioned against carrying it on full auto when walking point. Anybody else noticed theres no extractor in his bolt ?? We would like to have more coverage of some of […], Tomorrow came earlier So, they either have to have a bullet trap (as you mentioned and which of course adds weight since it needs to be substantial) OR there needs to be special rifle ammunition with wooden bullets or no bullet to launch the grenade (this system was common also). One would get three or four known marks for given range and angle and then SWAG (Scientific Wild Assed Guess) for targets in between those known points. The unit we replaced in Iraq in 2007 had a captured M-79. Thermal expansion could be a problem, but since the correct thread direction has been selected, everything is fine. Continuation of present trends is likely to lead, therefore, to a gradual withdrawal under the direct or indirect pressure of the Soviet Union, until we discover one day that we have sacrificed positions of vital interest. But. The M203 replaced the M79, but introduced a restriction in the length of the rounds. (…)” With Dirk Benedict of “A-Team”, “…see it more carefully.”(C) OK then, why not just give that guy a lighter weapon (M79) with lighter ammo since already wasn’t a regular rifleman? and you get a 12(?) The shadow of Soviet force falls darkly on Western Europe and Asia and supports a policy of encroachment. Is not M79 just offspring of unsuccessful T148E1, Launcher There was the HEDP (HE Dual Purpose)which had a HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) charge also wrapped with a frag collar. However maybe they will rework it into a carbine, that would have much more sense and bigger market. Ho, ho ho. So, they either have to have a bullet trap (as you mentioned and which of course adds weight since it needs to be substantial) OR there needs to be special rifle ammunition with wooden bullets or no bullet to launch the grenade (this system was common also). I am wondering if P50 will get stable sales or after shorter or longer period of interest would fall into oblivion? Unscrewing charging handle is goofy and finicky, but that recoil spring around bolt is fairly clever. I’d just offer that it’s a matter of perspective – primarily of which role / requirement is primary. He remembered the sound of the round sailing through the jungle canopy straight through the air. At. For me due to that this weapon is similar to ZK 476 regarding external look Currently… Currently. Tying bags of grenades on lines to their feet for a drop. M79 launchers can still be found all over the world, however, as they are robust and reliable. It would look like the old Stevens 4-bbl pistol grown huge and fitted with a stock. If, however, the decision is made not to have a grenadier at squad level, then I agree having some riflemen carry 1-2 muzzle-launched rifle grenades seems a workable solution. That is a handful of 1980’s awesomeness. The A-wing starfighter, also referred to as A-wing, was a type of starfighter. First roof of the copter smashed the nose fuse before it reached arming range. In real life, though? Even in offensive operations, because the targets are more often than not in some sort of fortification that a rifle can’t shoot through. Hitting was almost effortless on the range where the ranges were known. It wound up in the 2nd Brigade, 10th Mountain Division HQ in Camp Striker Iraq. Of course, in the latter system, if you mistakenly fire a normal round into the rifle grenade on your muzzle… After we had the Bomb, there wasn’t going to be any more land wars. Before the era of the under-barrel grenade launcher, many major military rifles were configured for launching them. Hard to carry very many due to weight and size. Supposedly on that day every year, he celebrates his second birthday. (…)” Using it like that makes it sound a lot like the Japanese Type 89 “knee mortar” from WWII. “(…)origin of the M79 as far as I understand wasn’t in comparison to bazookas (the M72 LAW arose from that), but rather from the Japanese Type 89 grenade launcher(…)” Linda and Qwik-Point at the BUG Match, The Iver Johnson company doesn’t get much respect or recognition these days, but they made a staggering number of generally very good, inexpensive handguns for many decades. Aiming was done by aligning the barrel so it pointed at the target. This led to a multi-part development effort involving design of a small grenade body, reliable but cheap fusing system, and a cartridge design that could launch it. It was made along with a carbine version called the Terry, by Wilkinson Arms of California (later Idaho). Using a gunners quadrant from an artillery piece or tank the Grenadier would fix his sling to a known length, mark the lock for that length. IV. There was also a round with a very small initial charge and a delay on the main grenade that was basically a long range “Bouncing Betty” the round would strike then be tossed about two meters in the air and airburst. IX. I think you will find that the M79 scene from Apocalypse Now came from the fictional book ‘Despatches’ by Michael Herr. © 2020 Forgotten Weapons.Site developed by Cardinal Acres Web Development. I owned a French MAS 49 which had built in grenade launching sights…the sights were clumsy and awkward (small and on the side of the rifle, slow to adjust). So… Yeah. Some nations went heavy into rifle grenades as part of their infantry equipment, but there are weaknesses with them and the US went in the direction of a more or less improved Type 89 which was more portable and effective. There was so-called mine grenade developed by Nils Aasen, but not employed, see 1st drawing from top: The launcher itself is more effective. Though obviously grip shape is different. So they will probably do it anyway. “(…)should have been some contrarian(…)” Occasional use – how many does one need? Separate sighting systems had to be added to the rifle for rifle grenades. Not to mention, how many rounds was a load out? There should also be a lid on top of the extractor. Typically Indirect fires ARE High angle fires. Daweo, perhaps it was but that (T148E1) was also a post WWII weapon. 4. Can you imagine an M79 with a red dot and a laser rangefinder tied together? Palmetto – Until a grenade launcher was developed for the M1, the TOE for a US Army rifle squad included a grenadier with some model of M1903. Couple of times on exercises in Korea, you’d be able to observe the ROKA guys doing a light infantry infiltration on you, and watch them enter a dry riverbed that led to the front of our defense positions. A. Battlefield 2 invades the high-tech frontlines of modern warfare. ). They were travelling through thick brush and the safety had come off and the trigger had been pressed. Actually thats probably the downfall of the infantry guy and the rise of the machines… So its possibly not a great idea, he he. Das Gewehr 43, später Karabiner 43 (G43/K43), war ein Selbstladegewehr der deutschen Wehrmacht im Zweiten Weltkrieg.Es wurde als grundlegend verbesserte Version des wenig erfolgreichen Gewehrs 41 entwickelt, das wiederum den Karabiner 98k als Standard-Infanteriewaffe ablösen sollte, da sich die Wehrmacht an der Ostfront mit den ⦠For more data about limited warfare consideration read https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a215572.pdf, “(…)ook at WWI battlefields, and I’m like “So… This’d be a perfect place for a Claymore or two…”(…)” The most important tech behind this is the round and the rifling. $500(?) The German MG 34 & MG 42 Machine Guns New from Schiffer! Technically many would argue that all fire originating at less than 45 degrees angle above horizontal are “Low angle Fires” and when using the sights on an M79 by that definition it is a low angle weapon. …”The means to be employed must be proportioned to the extent of the mischief.” The mischief may be a global war or it may be a Soviet campaign for limited objectives. Your email address will not be published. Hey, it +might+ work. 50 Likes, 1 Comments - College of Medicine & Science (@mayocliniccollege) on Instagram: âð¨ Our Ph.D. Most major service rifles today have some sort of under-barrel type launcher option so that issue seems settled. Got this interesting spider drone thing that drinks blood for electric, 51mm round well under 920g. Just for interest, about 50 years ago I was a medic in Viet Nam. S is the staff series abbreviation used by the US military. Besides, when there were green tracers in the air, no one was holding still long enough to pop off 4 aimed shots on that tube. There are other functions, but those are the basic four. Arrowood: “The Jap knee mortar gives us hell. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. “(…)Wood on handguard gives me 60-70s looks more than the 80s(…)” Best! He lived another day. RAAA!! …This is largely a problem of the incongruity of the current actual capabilities of the free world and the threat to it, for the free world has an economic and military potential far superior to the potential of the Soviet Union and its satellites. It is possible that was an Iran/Iraq war bring back that they picked up from the enemy. I think Ian needs to do some more research on the origins of this weapon. Because they had no barrel, they needed their own spin stabilization apparatus, which is why they are long and have fins on them. Your email address will not be published. Can’t deny the added mass, but I know they made it work – and doesn’t the added mass become frag when it detonates? Not in this video, see it more carefully. Keep in mind that for example L9A1 high explosive bomb mass is 920 g (As a cadet I did a book report on “The Weapons of World War III – the Long Road Back from the Bomb” by John S Tompkins published in 1967 which explored this and how long it took to recover from it)) So the US Army was undermanned, undertrained and under equipped when Korea broke out. I’m definitely not “correcting” you; I would not consider myself an advocate for rifle grenades both because I am far from an expert in that technology, and because I believe the M203 offers the best of both worlds. ….would enable a quick 4 rds to be laid on a target as fast as a man could aim.”. But, that answer came later. Second the round flew THROUGH the whirling blades without touching them. You speak truths, but they’re really (and, sadly…) utterly irrelevant. Replace the rifle, everyone fires at each other with advanced mini mortars. It will be more accurate. Enjoy what you read on Forgotten Weapons? High accuracy indirect fire could radically change things; wee air burst shells at head height negating body armour etc. https://youtu.be/ysrFXr2ozOk?t=524, And more Yes you CAN lob a 40MM into a 50-gallon drum at 100 meters.I did it. inch barrel for your 1911 or Glock. The “cheap” image of the brand has largely […], Guns in this video: DWM 1917 Baby Luger American Eagle Baby Luger P08 .45ACP Luger Navy .45ACP Luger Luger Carbine John Martz was a WWII US Navy veteran who spent a career in metalworking before […], We often get email asking if we are going to write about some forgotten weapons that are relatively recent developments, like the OICW for example.